A Proposal to Bridge the Gap - 11/25/17

First of all we would like to praise the lots proposal. It has been a wonderful experience and we believe that it has brought the majority of the believers together.  Without that proposal we wouldn’t be as united as we are today.  
We are not trying to complicate things or diminish the momentum that is currently underway, but we would like to submit a new guide and standard.  The reason for this, is that we want to make sure every person who feels the need to take part in this process feels included.  It would be sad to see anyone fall away because of a guide and standard that they don’t agree with.   If we exclude anyone it will be done at our own peril.

Our proposal is that the general/official guide and standard is to include only 3 things:
  1. The Doctrine of Christ found in 3 Nephi 11:30-40. 
  2. The Gospel of Christ found in Luke 6:20-49 (KJV).
  3. Each fellowship, family or individual is free to adopt an additional guide and standard as the spirit guides them. (Optional. Only if moved upon by the spirit)

We feel this approach includes the two things that every guide and standard has had in common so far.  i.e. the Doctrine and Gospel of Christ.  These are also the two things that we feel every covenant maker can mutually agree upon.  The 3rd item lets everyone exercise their agency in how they worship. Every fellowship, family or individual is free to choose or not to choose whichever guide and standard that the spirit directs them to.  Having number “3” included in the general and official guide and standard gives everyone the option to expound if they wish.

Spencer and Jasmine Brundage

Last minute Guide and Standard proposal

We believe in Jesus Christ and his doctrine found in 3 Nephi 11:30-40 in the Book of Mormon

Behold, this is not my doctrine, to stir up the hearts of men with anger, one against another; but this is my doctrine, that such things should be done away.
Behold, verily, verily, I say unto you, I will declare unto you my doctrine.
And this is my doctrine, and it is the doctrine which the Father hath given unto me; and I bear record of the Father, and the Father beareth record of me, and the Holy Ghost beareth record of the Father and me; and I bear record that the Father commandeth all men, everywhere, to repent and believe in me.
And whoso believeth in me, and is baptized, the same shall be saved; and they are they who shall inherit the kingdom of God.And whoso believeth not in me, and is not baptized, shall be damned.
Verily, verily, I say unto you, that this is my doctrine, and I bear record of it from the Father; and whoso believeth in me believeth in the Father also; and unto him will the Father bear record of me, for he will visit him with fire and with the Holy Ghost.And thus will the Father bear record of me, and the Holy Ghost will bear record unto him of the Father and me; for the Father, and I, and the Holy Ghost are one.
And again I say unto you, ye must repent, and become as a little child, and be baptized in my name, or ye can in nowise receive these things.
And again I say unto you, ye must repent, and be baptized in my name, and become as a little child, or ye can in nowise inherit the kingdom of God.
Verily, verily, I say unto you, that this is my doctrine, and whoso buildeth upon this buildeth upon my rock, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against them.
And whoso shall declare more or less than this, and establish it for my doctrine, the same cometh of evil, and is not built upon my rock; but he buildeth upon a sandy foundation, and the gates of hell stand open to receive such when the floods come and the winds beat upon them.

We   seek   to   follow   the   admonition   of   Christ   in   the   Sermon   on   the   Mount   to   guide   our   conduct as found in Luke 6:20-49 (KJV)

And he lifted up his eyes on his disciples, and said, Blessed be ye poor: for yours is the kingdom of God.
Blessed are ye that hunger now: for ye shall be filled. Blessed are ye that weep now: for ye shall laugh.
Blessed are ye, when men shall hate you, and when they shall separate you from their company, and shall reproach you, and cast out your name as evil, for the Son of man’s sake.
Rejoice ye in that day, and leap for joy: for, behold, your reward is great in heaven: for in the like manner did their fathers unto the prophets.
But woe unto you that are rich! for ye have received your consolation.
Woe unto you that are full! for ye shall hunger. Woe unto you that laugh now! for ye shall mourn and weep.
Woe unto you, when all men shall speak well of you! for so did their fathers to the false prophets.
But I say unto you which hear, Love your enemies, do good to them which hate you,Bless them that curse you, and pray for them which despitefully use you.
And unto him that smiteth thee on the one cheek offer also the other; and him that taketh away thy cloak forbid not to take thy coat also.
Give to every man that asketh of thee; and of him that taketh away thy goods ask them not again.
And as ye would that men should do to you, do ye also to them likewise.
For if ye love them which love you, what thank have ye? for sinners also love those that love them.
And if ye do good to them which do good to you, what thank have ye? for sinners also do even the same.
And if ye lend to them of whom ye hope to receive, what thank have ye? for sinners also lend to sinners, to receive as much again.
But love ye your enemies, and do good, and lend, hoping for nothing again; and your reward shall be great, and ye shall be the children of the Highest: for he is kind unto the unthankful and to the evil.Be ye therefore merciful, as your Father also is merciful.Judge not, and ye shall not be judged: condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned: forgive, and ye shall be forgiven:
Give, and it shall be given unto you; good measure, pressed down, and shaken 
together, and running over, shall men give into your bosom. For with the same measure that ye mete withal it shall be measured to you again.
And he spake a parable unto them, Can the blind lead the blind? shall they not both fall into the ditch?
The disciple is not above his master: but every one that is perfect shall be as his master.And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother’s eye, but perceivest not the beam that is in thine own eye?
Either how canst thou say to thy brother, Brother, let me pull out the mote that is in thine eye, when thou thyself beholdest not the beam that is in thine own eye? Thou hypocrite, cast out first the beam out of thine own eye, and then shalt thou see clearly to pull out the mote that is in thy brother’s eye.
For a good tree bringeth not forth corrupt fruit; neither doth a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
For every tree is known by his own fruit. For of thorns men do not gather figs, nor of a bramble bush gather they grapes.
A good man out of the good treasure of his heart bringeth forth that which is good; and an evil man out of the evil treasure of his heart bringeth forth that which is evil: for of the abundance of the heart his mouth speaketh.
And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say?
Whosoever cometh to me, and heareth my sayings, and doeth them, I will shew you to whom he is like:
He is like a man which built an house, and digged deep, and laid the foundation on a rock: and when the flood arose, the stream beat vehemently upon that house, and could not shake it: for it was founded upon a rock.
But he that heareth, and doeth not, is like a man that without a foundation built an house upon the earth; against which the stream did beat vehemently, and immediately it fell; and the ruin of that house was great.

Each fellowship, family or individual is free to adopt an additional guide and standard as the spirit guides them. (Optional. Only if moved upon by the spirit)


  1. I dissent from this proposal.

    Jared LIvesey

  2. As an explanation, those who are led by the Holy Ghost to take something other than the doctrine and sermon of the Lord as their written guide and standard don’t need our permission to do so, and it is harmful to those who have not taken the Holy Ghost for their guide to be led away from the Lord’s doctrine and law and commandments by our suggestion, in particular because it is by belief in and execution of the Lord’s doctrine and law and commandments that one obtains the Holy Ghost. Therefore, it is to lead men astray to suggest to those who haven’t obeyed the doctrine and law and commandments that they could be looking elsewhere for guidance.

    Jared Livesey

  3. Log, I completely agree that number three is not needed. I am of the opinion that if we move forward without mutual agreement, then number three of the covenant will be broken. So I am open to changing number three of this proposal to the Joseph Smith quote or similar or taking it out completely. Or we can say let the Holy Spirit be your guide. Even though it is implied. I just want to fulfill what the lord has asked.

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    2. If we take it (#3) out completely, the introductory sentences for 1 and 2 also do not communicate that these are in fact our guide and standard, and our principles, but are more like suggestions.

      And if we strengthen the language to the appropriate level, wherein we acknowledge that we accept, practice, and teach these things, we have The Rock of Jesus Christ: A Statement of Our Principles.

      The Lord's people are defined by their keeping of all his commandments. If that's not us, we aren't his people.

      Jared Livesey

    3. Jared,
      I am completely open to whatever changes that makes this thing a mutual agreement by everyone. I feel that the covenant will be broken if we proceed with one person being left out. This thing is a process. Without the lots proposal we wouldn’t be to the point where people are open to going back to the simple Doctrine. People progress at different speeds. Also with out your persistency, we wouldn’t be at the point where we are. Therefore, we need to persuade people gently and lovingly. I wish they would have posted our proposal on the main page, but oh well. I feel if we can start a little discussion, people will slowly but surely realize we can only have the Doctrine. Number three is a way to give a branch to allow people to be validated and feel included. Then if we can discuss cordially, we can get to the point where what we all agree on is the Doctrine.
      I am not a writer or philosopher. I hate online everything. This is not my realm of expertise. I don’t like pontificating. Anyone else is free to make this thing better or more precise. I just want to mutually agree and move forward.

    4. Spencer, I'm not going to hold out the false impression that this is a negotiation.

      The Lord commands that the G&S shall bless, benefit, and inform those who know nothing as yet concerning his work now underway.

      The Lord also says, in the A&C: "The Book of Mormon was given as my covenant for this day and contains my gospel, which came forth to allow people to understand my work and then obtain my salvation."

      The gospel is what allows people to understand his work. Therefore, his gospel is what shall go out, neither more nor less.

      You see, if we agree to send out more or less, we take upon ourselves the consequences of having done so, which is just, since we agreed to it.

      I won't agree to anything other than his gospel. I am willing to explain why, to those who will humble themselves and converse, and thus persuade, but I won't be budging from the gospel due to anything anyone has to say to me.

  4. I like this proposal. Jared, three doesn't require adoption by the body. In my estimation it is only included to preserve the freedom of the individual, family, or single fellowship.

  5. Spencer, you say: "I am of the opinion that if we move forward without mutual agreement, then number three of the covenant will be broken."

    I say: I agree the covenant will be broken - by those who move forward without fulfilling the Lord's requirement. If they willfully go contrary to the covenant after warning and counsel, then they shall reap the consequences of doing so. I have publicly both counseled and warned them already.

    Those who are faithful will be acceptable to the Lord: "[A]ll who abide it [the covenant], whether on this land or any other land, will be mine and I will watch over them and protect them in the day of harvest, and gather them in as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings. "

  6. We are not required to agree to error just because the majority does.

    If we put forth that which curses, harms, or misinforms, we also have broken the covenant.

  7. Spencer and Jasmine, thank you for bringing to our attention first and foremost Christs Doctrine which is the ONLY THING we are required to have absolute unity in. Secondly, the Sermon Christ gave on the mount, a standard to drive to live but because of my weaknesses fail to do so adequately... Which brings me back to Christs Doctrine! Cycles of repentance and expansion!

    I love that you care so much about the Lords work and the Covenant that the Spirit moved upon you to write. I accept with all my heart the Truths you expressed in this proposal.

    Thank you!

    Eva Gore

  8. *A standard I STRIVE to live"
    Damn typos!